Very disturbing Options

[bendsinister]

This is one of the worst things I have ever seen.
Not for the faint of heart.
What kills me is beyond this brutal asault this POS

Beating Suspect Says He Fears For His Safety In Jail

. f**k him, he should die for what he did.
My question though is, how do you people feel about a "Good Samaritan" law? If you watch the video through, you'll note that several people stand by without helping. I personally feel that everyone of them should be charged and forced to live with a criminal record for failing to render assistance. Nobody even made a move to go call the cops. Disgusting.

[harry lime]

Yeah that's pretty bad. Someone chould have stepped in, and the perpetrator should do time.

From your reaction to this though, I'm guessing you've led a fairly sheltered life. I'm not knocking you, I think you're fortunate.

If you step up to something like that in Detroit and many other places, you better expect to get shot, or get the victim shot. doesn't excuse the lack of action, but that's the deal.

And it's one thing to talk about it not having been near a situation where guns get flashed or you know people who've been shot. The reality is, most people won't do a thing if they think they might get killed-it's nature, that icey stone cold fear can paralyze.

[ignint]

that's all effed up.
That old guy handled it with class (of course). But every now and again i wish that frontal lobotomies were still in practice.

[stardusk]

This is one of the worst things I have ever seen.
Not for the faint of heart.
What kills me is beyond this brutal asault this POS . f**k him, he should die for what he did.
My question though is, how do you people feel about a "Good Samaritan" law? If you watch the video through, you'll note that several people stand by without helping. I personally feel that everyone of them should be charged and forced to live with a criminal record for failing to render assistance. Nobody even made a move to go call the cops. Disgusting.

In France and Germany you can get arrested for just standing around and not helping someone...

[bendsinister]

In France and Germany you can get arrested for just standing around and not helping someone...

There are local municipalities in America that have similar laws but not enough. That was a brutal video but when they panned back to show the crowd it really blew me away.

[stardusk]

There are local municipalities in America that have similar laws but not enough. That was a brutal video but when they panned back to show the crowd it really blew me away.

Yeah tell me about it. Whilst living in France I was a victim of a hit and run. Instead of people helping me (dazed, semi-conscious, injured, etc.) they just stared at me a while and moved on...

[unbridled blackc...]

This disgusts me too, but the thing about this is (and this was also what was mentioned when this aired on CNN but I have to agree) that as far as the outrage at the bystanders, one could argue that when there are other people around (you're not the only one watching), there is a 'diffusion of responsibility' taking place that pretty much spreads the blame evenly amongst the witnesses rather than saying that each one is 100% culpable.

You can read about this social pyschological phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect) and I'm sure many of you have heard of it if you even had an Intro. Social Psych. course, but the famous experiment I'm thinking of is a series of people in separate rooms who can all communicate only through an intercom. They all think they're there waiting to participate in a different psychological experiment but the real psychological experiment is when one of the "participants" (obviously not a subject, but a member of the experimenting team) fakes a heart attack or some such serious acute ailment and the more people there are in other separate rooms, the longer it takes for any one of them to try to contact somebody about getting this guy help. In other words, if there's only other person, then he/she usually goes for help right away, but if there's two others then it takes a little longer, and if there's three others then it takes even longer, and so on.

This phenomenon manifests itself not just in extraordinary situations but also in more mundane aspects of life such as (as the wikipedia article on diffusion of responsibility mentions) whose responsibility it is to wash the dishes. And if anyone has ever lived in a house with a bunch of people, you know how contentious this can get.

Anyway, I think you just have to take this into account before you start saying that there ought to be laws punishing bystanders who dont' do anyting. To some extent, I can agree with the sentiment because in a perfectly civil society, we would all care about each other as much as we care about ourselves. But you do have to admit that in addition to the diffusion of respon. phenomenon is the fear factor. We see someone getting a beat down (the fact that it is an old man I think does make it more egregrious, but still), and we think,eg. "Do I want that to happen to me?" . . . "What if he has a gun?" . . . "This guy looks dangerous."
I'm not saying I wouldn't have done anything but these are the sort of things that might have been going through these bystanders' brains. Either that, or they knew the guy in which case they are accomplices. Everybody loves the hero but that's why he/she is a hero, because we don't expect that sort of daring out of everyone. Should we? Should we be punished by law if we don't act in such a manner? Again, I understand the sentiment but I can't agree.

[buff1480]

Yeah that's pretty bad. Someone chould have stepped in, and the perpetrator should do time.

From your reaction to this though, I'm guessing you've led a fairly sheltered life. I'm not knocking you, I think you're fortunate.

If you step up to something like that in Detroit and many other places, you better expect to get shot, or get the victim shot. doesn't excuse the lack of action, but that's the deal.

And it's one thing to talk about it not having been near a situation where guns get flashed or you know people who've been shot. The reality is, most people won't do a thing if they think they might get killed-it's nature, that icey stone cold fear can paralyze.

another words...no balls. f**k that. those guys have no excuse for standing around like that. if the guy had a gun and was crazy enough to use it, he would have been using it on the victim instead of punching him in the face over and over again...

[harry lime]

Yeah! No Balls! blah blah..internet tough guy..blah lah ...had a gun he would have blah...

Those were the reactions of people who deal with gunviolence and violence in general probably on a weekly basis for a good portion of their lives. What level of authority are you on the subect?

Yeah, the moral and good thing to do would be to step in or call the police. I would like to think I would do something. I would want to do something, but it's possible I would sit there in in shocked disbelief.


Only someone with either very little experience or an exceptional amount of experience in these matters throws about the "no balls" , "I would haves" and the rest... Which one are you?

If you answer the former, please share, I'd love to hear about it.

This post has been edited by harry lime: May 27 2007, 11:46 AM

[bendsinister]

Add another one to the list.
Clean up in aisle three.

[Turlbo]

Yes, this is disgusting. Now is there anyone else out there willing to bet that the attacker is a drug addict, dealer or both? I am asking this because people like this usually have very little respect for others. (Do they even have respect for themselves?) Usually addicts are just concerned with that next hit or how to get it, and usually the only thing which concerns a dealer is money.

This post has been edited by Turlbo: Jul 6 2007, 04:28 PM